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DEEP Dive

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DEEP Dive
DEEP Dive is a podcast series from NATO’s Defence Education Enhancement Programme (DEEP). Each episode provides commentary and analysis with experts and practitioners on a variety of subjects, including international security and defence, counter-terrorism, and geopolitical current events. For more information and additional content, including full transcripts of each episode, please visit deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
Episode 55 - Mahmut Cengiz and Terrorism After October 7

In addition to the events unfolding in the Middle East, global security challenges continues to proliferate elsewhere. In episode 55 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Prof. Mahmut Cengiz to discuss the state of global terrorism from Iran to the Sahel and Somalia to Syria.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠

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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 54 - Joseph Votel and the Threat from Iran and Beyond

Iran's activities have been at the forefront of global events in recent months. Tehran's proxies have launched multiple missile strikes into neighbouring countries and have targeted the U.S. military, whilst the Houthis in Yemen have brought global maritime trade to a standstill. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and former CENTCOM Commander Joseph Votel in episode 54 of NATO DEEP Dive to unpack these issues and more.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Tue, 13 Feb 2024 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 53 - Meghann Teubner & Kelli Foy and Mainstreaming Extremism

Now more than ever, it is becoming increasingly easier to find extremist content on the internet. We find ourselves in an era characterized by flashy and digestible sound bites that quickly circulate online. This also leads to the proliferation of disinformation. To unpack this, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by two senior members of the NYPD's counterterrorism division, Meghann Teubner and Kelli Foy, in episode 53 of NATO DEEP Dive. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.


Mon, 05 Feb 2024 11:55:00 GMT
Episode 52 - Sajjan Gohel Part 2: Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist

Even after his death, al-Qaeda's last leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, continues to influence global terrorism. Through his 'Safe Bases' strategy, al-Qaeda and its affiliates are seeking to restore capabilities in Afghanistan, the Middle East, North Africa, and Pakistan. Join the producers, Marcus and Victoria, for the final part of this NATO DEEP Dive special with Dr. Sajjan Gohel, as they discuss his new book, Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist: The Life and Legacy of Al-Qaeda Leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Mon, 08 Jan 2024 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 51 - Sajjan Gohel Part 1: Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist

How does a person of privilege and status become the world's most wanted terrorist? In the first of a two-part special, Dr. Sajjan Gohel discusses his new book, Doctor, Teacher, Terrorist: The Life and Legacy of al-Qaeda Leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. Often forgotten in the shadow of bin Landen, the Egyptian ideologue was his closest ally and a pivotal figure in his own right, significantly influencing transnational terrorism across five decades.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:05:57 GMT
Episode 50 - Andrei Soldatov and Surviving Putin's Russia

Journalist, author, and Russian dissident, Andrei Soldatov joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel in the latest instalment of NATO DEEP Dive. In episode 50, Andrei details the brutal methods employed by Vladimir Putin, dating back to the Second Chechen War, to ensure his grasp on power remains firm.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠⁠⁠ https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠⁠⁠

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Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 49 - David Loyn and the Retro Taliban

Over 2 years after the Taliban takeover, friend of the show David Loyn returns to discuss recent developments in Afghanistan. Alongside Dr. Sajjan Gohel, David discusses how the regime is more extreme now than it was during the 1990s and details its continuous engagement with al-Qaeda and its assault on the rights of women.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠⁠ https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠⁠

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Mon, 30 Oct 2023 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 48 - Ravi Satkalmi and the D.C. Capitol Police

As the only law enforcement agency under the U.S. legislative branch, the DC Capitol Police is responsible for protecting members of Congress both domestically and overseas. In recent years, the Capitol Police have played a crucial role in defending members of the U.S. government, from the storming of the Capitol building on January 6 2021, to protecting Congressmen and women from increasingly emboldened hostile state actors. In episode 48 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Ravi Satkalmi, the Director of Intelligence for the United States Capitol Police, to discuss the importance of the agency, the changing nature of extremist ideologies, and the importance of greater representation in all aspects of law enforcement.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:⁠ https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/⁠ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.


Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 47 - Caroline Rose and the Captagon Challenge

A new and dangerous problem is emanating from Syria. This time, it’s not in the form of civil war chaos, but a highly addictive amphetamine known as Captagon. In episode 47 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr Sajjan Gohel and Caroline Rose, the Director of the Strategic Blind Spots Portfolio at the New Lines Institute, attempt to get to the bottom of this new epidemic, tracing narcotics routes from the Balkans to the Middle East and beyond. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.


Thu, 28 Sep 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 46 - Anne Craanen and Tech Against Terrorism

For many years, the internet has become a crucial theatre for terrorist activity. From live streaming attacks to disseminating propaganda, sharing memes and even running their own websites, the threat posed by these groups and individuals on the online space is diverse. This is where Tech Against Terrorism steps in, working to counter the presence of terrorists and violent extremists from the internet. In episode 46 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Anne Craanen, Research Manager at Tech Against Terrorism and host of its ⁠podcast⁠ to discuss the work she and her colleagues do to monitor the digital sphere.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 45 - Guillaume Soto-Mayor and the Cost of Coups in the Sahel

On 26 July 2023, Niger fell victim to its fifth coup since independence - plunging the country into uncertainty. To help explain why Niger and its fellow Sahel countries have experienced such political turmoil in recent years, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Guillaume Soto-Mayor, a Non-Resident Scholar at the Middle East Institute, who is based in Senegal. Episode 45 of NATO DEEP Dive explores Africa's relationship with external forces, including the Wagner Group, ISIS, and al-Qaeda.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 44 - Karl Kaltenthaler: In the Situation Room

From Russia to the Sahel and Syria to Afghanistan, Episode 44 covers everything you need to understand about the current geopolitical climate. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Dr. Karl Kaltenthaler as they dissect a variety of subjects, including the future of the Wagner Group, the nature of the new Iraqi government, and Pakistan's attempts to handle the extremist groups it once cultivated.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Wed, 16 Aug 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 43 - Seamus Hughes, ‘The Document Digger’

Examining 2,000 pages of court records per day, Seamus Hughes has earned his tag as ‘The Document Digger.’ From discovering indictments of the FBI's Most Wanted characters in misfiled cases to uncovering DEA seizures of fentanyl shipped to the US from China, Hughes’ job is never short of drama. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel as he discusses these cases and more with Seamus Hughes in the latest episode of NATO DEEP Dive.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 42: Greg Hinds and Interpol at 100

Since its founding 100 years ago, Interpol has stood at the forefront against transnational crime and terrorism. Interpol remains crucial to international security and capacity building, enhancing cooperation and capabilities among its 195 members. In episode 42 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Greg Hinds, the Director for Counter-Terrorism at Interpol, to discuss how the organisation works across the globe in an ever-changing and evolving threat landscape.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Mon, 10 Jul 2023 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 41 - Hadelin Feront and Combating Extremism Online

Meta sits at the forefront of the online world, connecting people all over the globe through its social media applications. This also makes Meta proactive to counter bad-faith actors, including terrorists. On episode 41 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Hadelin Feront, a member of Meta's Global Counter-Terrorism Policy team, for a discussion into how the company ensures that extremists are countered in the online space, whilst also respecting the privacy and end-to-end encryption of its other users.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:00:31 GMT
Episode 40 - Mike Martin and Lessons From War

In war, psychology is just as important as sheer strength and troop numbers, and Ukraine has maintained its psychological advantage over Russia since the very start of the latter’s invasion. In episode 40 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel sits down with Mike Martin to discuss the lessons we can learn from not only the war in Ukraine, but also from other conflicts including the war in Afghanistan.


Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Thu, 01 Jun 2023 10:00:17 GMT
Episode 39 - Paul Ash and the Christchurch Call

The 2019 Christchurch terrorist attack was a game changer for law enforcement in New Zealand and beyond. The live stream and subsequent reuploads of the attack garnered millions of views, posing a real risk of encouraging copycat attacks. The Christchurch Call was established in this context, as a collaboration between governments, tech companies, and civil society to ensure that terrorists and violent extremists can never use social media to amplify their attacks again. In this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Paul Ash, the Christchurch Call and Cyber Coordinator in the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet in New Zealand to discuss his crucial role in the formation of this initiative.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Sun, 14 May 2023 10:00:18 GMT
Episode 38 - Tim Marshall Part 2: The Politics of Space

Ahead of the release of his new book The Future of Geography: How Power and Politics in Space Will Change Our World, author and journalist Tim Marshall sits down with Dr. Sajjan Gohel for part two of their discussion. In episode 38 of NATO DEEP Dive, Tim and Sajjan ponder the growing importance of space to international relations and whether we are in the midst of a Space Race 2.0. One thing is certain: what happens in space will shape human history the same way the geography of mountains, rivers, and seas has on Earth.

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Tue, 25 Apr 2023 10:00:37 GMT
Episode 37 - Tim Marshall Part 1: The Future of Geography

When Tim Marshall first appeared on the NATO DEEP Dive podcast, he coined the term ‘The Dangerous Decade’ to describe the 2020s. Now, nearly 18 months on, his description has been proved prescient on more than one occasion. From Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to China’s military posturing in the Indo-Pacific, Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Tim Marshall take stock of all that has happened since and what could take place in the future of this dangerous decade.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.


Fri, 14 Apr 2023 10:00:33 GMT
Episode 36 - Todd Helmus and the Disinformation Battlefield

In modern warfare, controlling the online information space is as important as making physical gains on the battlefield. In addition to its military defence capabilities, Ukraine has proved it can win hearts and minds through social media by documenting its army's successes and Russian atrocities. In episode 36 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by senior behavioural scientist at RAND, Todd Helmus, to discuss the importance of the information battlefield and how artificial intelligence technology like deepfakes can pose a real threat in military and political environments if utilised by hostile actors.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:00:51 GMT
Episode 35 - Lynne O'Donnell Part 3: The Future of AfPak

From opposition groups forming in Tajikistan and beyond, to the growth of the TTP in Pakistan, the Taliban's return to power has had far-reaching implications for the region and ultimately the world. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel for the third and final part of our three-part special with Foreign Policy's Lynne O'Donnell to explore these very dynamics.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Fri, 17 Mar 2023 11:00:09 GMT
Episode 34 - Lynne O’Donnell Part 2: An Afghan Dystopia

Since their return to power, the Taliban have reimposed their draconic doctrine on Afghans, particularly women. Following her first-hand experience in the country, Lynne O'Donnell provides her assessment of the new regime and the key decision-makers. Lynne also details how China has sought to enhance its position in Afghanistan, but faces the same challenges as the West once did. This is episode two of a three-part special.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Tue, 07 Mar 2023 11:00:47 GMT
Episode 33 - Lynne O’Donnell Part 1: Detained by the Taliban

In July 2022, Foreign Policy's Lynne O'Donnell returned to Afghanistan for the first time since the Taliban had retaken the country. What was meant to be a typical reporting trip suddenly turned into an ordeal when Lynne was detained and interrogated by senior members of the Taliban's leadership. In episode 33 of NATO DEEP Dive, Lynne joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel to recount her own personal experiences facing the Taliban’s misogyny and intimidation tactics. This episode is the first of a three-part special with Lynne O'Donnell on the current state of Afghanistan since the Taliban's return to power.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Fri, 24 Feb 2023 11:00:26 GMT
Episode 32 - Terri Nicholson and a Career in Global Security

After a distinguished and decorated career in policing that spanned decades, Terri Nicholson shifted roles to provide security for Paramount Pictures, one of the world's leading producers of entertainment content. In episode 32 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Terri about her career and experiences dedicated to global security as well as the transferable skills from law enforcement to the private sector.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Fri, 03 Feb 2023 11:00:07 GMT
Episode 31 - Alex Tiersky & Michael Cecire and Holding Russia Accountable

Established in June 1976, the Helsinki Commission set out to monitor human rights conditions in Europe in the context of the Cold War. Nearly half a century later, the commission is as relevant as ever, laying the framework to hold Russia accountable following the conclusion of the war in Ukraine. In episode 31 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Alex Tiersky and Michael Cecire to discuss the key role that the Helsinki Commission is playing in the collection of battlefield evidence and in calling for the Wagner Group to be labelled a terrorist entity, as well as the commission's instrumental role in the introduction of the Magnitsky sanctions.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:00:16 GMT
Episode 30 - Daniel Koehler and Dealing with Radicalisation

On 7 December 2022, a plot to overthrow the German government was uncovered by the police. Conspiracy theory cases such as this have spread rapidly throughout the pandemic, on social media platforms, and in online gaming chatrooms, where children as young as 12 are being lured into extremist circles. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel in this episode of NATO DEEP Dive as he talks to Daniel Koehler about these very issues, as well as how deradicalisation programmes can be improved to obtain better results.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:00:48 GMT
Episode 29 - Julia Ebner and Embedding with Extremists
To understand extremists, sometimes you have to go undercover. Julia Ebner did exactly that. Embedding herself within neo-Nazi and jihadist groups, Ebner discovered shocking revelations about what causes people to become radicalised, as well as finding that the two seemingly incompatible movements actually feed off each other. Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ Follow DEEP Dive to stay up to date with each new upload.
Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 28 - Pieter Van Ostaeyen and the Status of ISIS

ISIS used to dominate international headlines, with news of attacks on Western soil, and gruesome atrocities in Syria and Iraq. Since the collapse of its so-called caliphate, ISIS has become a shadow of its former self - or has it? In this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Pieter Van Ostaeyen, a historian, Arabist, and expert on ISIS, to discuss the current state of the group. From Europe to the Sahel, ISIS and its supporters remain active, physically and virtually, and may well present a threat to global security once more in the near future.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Fri, 02 Dec 2022 11:00:25 GMT
Episode 27 - Phil Gurski and the Multiplicity of Threats

The past three years have seen a multitude of threats facing governments throughout the world, from the COVID-19 pandemic to the war in Ukraine; the ever-present threat of international jihadism to the rising concerns posed by far-right groups. In this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Phil Gurski, a former senior strategic analyst at the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS). They take stock of these emerging threats and discuss how law enforcement and intelligence services can best prepare themselves to respond.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:00:31 GMT
Episode 26 - Mahmut Cengiz and the Terror Underground

From the COVID-19 Pandemic to the targeted killings of their leaders, transnational terrorist organisations have had to adapt to changing circumstances in the past three years. On this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Associate Professor Mahmut Cengiz from George Mason University joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel to provide an expert breakdown of the current status of ISIS, al-Qaeda, and their global affiliates. 

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:00:35 GMT
Episode 25 - Diana Soller and Resisting Dictatorships

On 16 September 2022, 22 year old Mahsa Amini died in police custody for the perceived improper wearing of her hijab. Protests have subsequently erupted across Iran against the regime's theocratic rule. At the same time, Vladimir Putin has struggled to implement his conscription drive in Russia to increase troop numbers in his war against Ukraine. Both Russia and Iran are facing anger from their respective populations and the international community. Can internal opposition aided by economic sanctions really bring about change? Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by renowned Portuguese columnist Diana Soller to discuss these issues and many more in episode 25 of NATO DEEP Dive.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/

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Wed, 12 Oct 2022 10:00:52 GMT
Episode 24 - Sarah Adams and Decoding Terrorism

On September 11, 2012, terrorists tied to al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. embassy in Benghazi, killing the American ambassador and three others. Yet, 10 years on, some of the plotters remain at large. In episode 24 of NATO DEEP Dive Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by counter-terrorism practitioner Sarah Adams to unpack the consequences of the attack, as well as looking at the other important developments including the implications of the death of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri in Afghanistan and increasing demands for Russia's to be designated as a 'Sponsor of Terror.' 

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/  

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Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 23 - Rebecca Weiner and the NYPD Intelligence Bureau

From popular movies to TV series, the NYPD has long been depicted as keeping New York safe, but what is life really like inside the world's most famous police department? In episode 23 of NATO DEEP Dive Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Rebecca Wiener, the Assistant Commissioner for Intelligence Analysis at the New York City Police Department to find out just that. From fighting crime and terrorism to combating online disinformation, the NYPD plays a crucial role in maintaining law and order not just in the U.S., but globally.

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 22 - Asfandyar Mir and AfPak, One Year Since the Taliban Return

The U.S. counter-terrorism in Kabul, Afghanistan eliminated al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and once again exposed the close relationship the terrorist group enjoys with the Taliban and the Haqqani Network. 16 August 2022 marks one year since the Taliban seized power in Kabul. In that time, Afghanistan has experienced hardships, violence, and misogyny. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Afghanistan-Pakistan (AfPak) expert Dr. Asfandyar Mir as they break down the defining moments of the Taliban's first year back in power and how the group continues to destabilise the region. 

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Tue, 16 Aug 2022 10:00:09 GMT
Episode 21 - Minna Alander and NATO's Nordic Frontline

When Putin invaded Ukraine he claimed NATO expansion as the cause. Yet, 6 months later, the NATO alliance is on the cusp of growing stronger, with the addition of the historically neutral Finland and Sweden. In episode 21 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel, with the help of Minna Alander, explore the reasons and implications behind this decision. 

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Wed, 03 Aug 2022 10:00:13 GMT
Episode 20 - Asanga Abeyagoonasekera and Sri Lanka's Collapse

Sri Lanka's descent into chaos has gripped the world's attention. With Gotabaya Rajapaksa fleeing the country and resigning in exile, this episode unpacks the events that led to the collapse of such a thriving and democratic nation. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Asanga Abeyagoonasekera as they dissect the lessons the international community can learn from such poor political and economic management. 


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Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:00:25 GMT
Episode 19 - Jennifer Hurst and International Law Enforcement

Want to understand the frontline responsibilities of an experienced federal police officer? In episode 19 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel endeavours to do just that, with Commander Jennifer Hurst of the Australian Federal Police (AFP). On the agenda is Commander Hurst's crucial role in the investigation of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 that was shot down over Ukraine in 2014, the foiling of the one of the biggest terrorist plots against the aviation industry since 9/11, and the growing challenge posed by hostile state actors. 

Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ 

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Wed, 06 Jul 2022 09:00:00 GMT
Episode 18 - Tom Wuchte and the Importance of Multilateralism

Is improved multilateralism the answer to future security concerns in a post-pandemic world? Does the war in Ukraine complicate the debate around definitions of foreign fighters? Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Tom Wuchte as they attempt to answer these questions and more in episode 18 of NATO DEEP Dive.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive


Thu, 23 Jun 2022 10:00:50 GMT
Episode 17 - Lina Rozbih and Women in Afghanistan, Part 2

In the second of a two-part series on the decline of women's rights in Afghanistan, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Afghan journalist and poet Lina Rozbih. Building on Part 1, this episode of NATO DEEP Dive highlights the cultural decline taking place in Afghanistan and debunks the notion of a 'moderate Taliban.' 

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Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:26 GMT
Episode 16 - Meetra Qutb and Women in Afghanistan, Part 1

In the first of a two-part series on the plight of women in Afghanistan, Dr Sajjan Gohel is joined by Meetra Qutb to discuss the Taliban's misogynistic rule of the country. This episode of NATO DEEP Dive covers the recent banning of Afghan women and girls from education as well as the Taliban's links to al-Qaeda and allies in Pakistan.

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Thu, 26 May 2022 10:00:58 GMT
Episode 15 - Mary Fetchet & Sue O'Sullivan and Supporting Victims of Terrorism

In episode 15 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Mary Fetchet and Sue O'Sullivan. Mary is the driving force behind VOICES, an organisation she co-founded in 2001 after her son Brad was killed at the World Trade Center during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Sue has served as the Deputy Chief of Police for the Ottawa Police Service and Canada's Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime and has continuously advocated to increase support services for victims of terrorism throughout her career in law enforcement.

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Thu, 12 May 2022 10:00:47 GMT
Episode 14 - Mohammed Naqvi and Documenting Extremism

In episode 14 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Mohammed Ali Naqvi, a Pakistani-American filmmaker. They discuss his documentaries, which explore themes of human rights, social justice, politics, identity, and radicalisation. Mohammed's films include Among the Believers, Insha'Allah Democracy, and The Accused: Damned Or Devoted? Mohammed also served as co-executive producer of the Netflix docuseries Turning Point: 9/11 and the War on Terror.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:00:39 GMT
Episode 13 - Leon Panetta and Strengthening Global Alliances

In episode 13 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to the former Defence Secretary of the United States, Leon Panetta, who also served as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in President Barack Obama’s administration. They discuss Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine, building global security alliances to strengthen democracies, and how the threat of transnational terrorism has not gone away.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 12 - David Loyn and the Taliban Dilemma

In episode 12 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to David Loyn who was an award-winning foreign correspondent for thirty years for the BBC. He is an authority on Afghanistan, a country he has visited regularly. In 2017, David worked for a year as an adviser in the office of the Afghan president. His book The Long War uncovers the political and military strategies that tried to defeat the Taliban across two decades.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Thu, 07 Apr 2022 10:00:00 GMT
Episode 11 - Aaron Zelin and Understanding Jihadology

In episode 11 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Dr. Aaron Zelin who is with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a visiting research scholar at Brandeis University. They discuss the current state of transnational terrorism, the challenges in the Middle East and North Africa as well as Afghanistan. Aaron is the author of the book Your Sons Are At Your Service: Tunisia's Missionaries of Jihad. He is also the founder of the website Jihadology which is a clearinghouse for primary source content.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 10 - Jane Perlez and China, From Nixon to Putin

In episode 10 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Jane Perlez, a foreign correspondent for The New York Times. Jane also served as the newspaper's Beijing Bureau Chief in China until 2019. Sajjan and Jane discuss China’s global rise and influence as well as Jane’s new podcast, The Great Wager, from NPR & WBUR’s Here & Now. The series reveals how the U.S.-China connection emerged 50 years ago between President Richard Nixon and Mao Zedong, the chairman of the Chinese Communist Party.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 09 Mar 2022 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 9 - Elisabeth Braw and the Ukraine Crisis

In episode 9 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Elisabeth Braw, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), where she focuses on defence against emerging national security challenges, such as hybrid and grey zone threats. They discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine, how it was planned, and what may happen next. 

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:00:00 GMT
Episode 8 - Jessica Davis and Financing Terror

In episode 8 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Jessica Davis, the President of Insight Threat Intelligence, and President of the Canadian Association for Security and Intelligence Studies. They discuss the different methods of terrorist financing as well as the current related developments around the world. Jessica had senior roles at Canada’s financial intelligence unit, FINTRAC, and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS). Jessica is also the author of Women in Modern Terrorism as well as Illicit Money.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 23 Feb 2022 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 7 - Edmund Fitton-Brown and Monitoring Terrorists

In episode 7 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Edmund Fitton-Brown, the Coordinator of the United Nations Analytical Support and Sanctions Monitoring Team. His remit focuses on the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, as well as associated individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities. They discuss the current and emerging terrorist challenges across the world.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 09 Feb 2022 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 6 - Bruce Riedel and the Proxy Wars

In episode 6 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Bruce Riedel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He was also Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for the Near East and South Asia at the Pentagon, and a senior advisor to NATO. They discuss the situation in Afghanistan-Pakistan, the security challenges in Yemen and the current state of international terrorism. Bruce is the author of several books including The Search for al Qaeda, Deadly Embrace, Avoiding Armageddon, JFK's Forgotten Crisis, and Kings and Presidents.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 5 - Clint Watts and Disinformation Warfare

In episode 5 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Clint Watts, a Distinguished Research Fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and Non-Resident Fellow at the Alliance for Securing Democracy. They discuss disinformation warfare campaigns by state actors and how Russia and China are asserting themselves globally both militarily and through technology. Clint is the author of Messing With The Enemy: Surviving in a Social Media World of Hackers, Terrorists, Russians and Fake News.

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:00:00 GMT
Episode 4 - Sebastian Rotella and the Fusion of Criminality, Borders, and Terrorism

In episode 4 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Sebastian Rotella, a senior investigative journalist at ProPublica. They discuss Sebastian's ground-breaking reporting of the Mumbai siege terror attacks, new revelations that have emerged surrounding 9/11, the concerning presence of Jihadist groups in Latin America, and the rising importance of the US-China rivalry. Sebastian has penned three novels: Rip Crew, The Convert’s Song, and Triple Crossing. He is also the author of Twilight on the Line. 

For the episode transcript, please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:22:41 GMT
Episode 3 - Douglas London and the Prevailing Importance of Human Intelligence

In episode 3 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Douglas London, a retired senior officer with the CIA, who is currently with Georgetown University’s Centre for Security Studies and the Middle East Institute. He is also the author of The Recruiter: Spying and the Lost Art of American Intelligence. Douglas and Sajjan address the value of human intelligence, the security challenges in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the importance of the Haqqani Network and its convergence with al-Qaeda, and the regional agendas of Russia and China. 

For the episode transcript, please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 01 Dec 2021 13:00:00 GMT
Episode 2 - Neil Basu and the Complexities of Counter-Terrorism Policing

In episode 2 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks to Neil Basu, who is the Assistant Commissioner for the British Metropolitan Police and has served as the head of Specialist Operations for the United Kingdom’s law enforcement agencies. Neil and Sajjan look at how policing has evolved in terms of operations and recruitment, as well as the prevalent terrorist threats facing the United Kingdom, the pandemic’s impact on counter-terrorism, and potential consequences of the Western withdrawal from Afghanistan.

For the episode transcript, please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:28:33 GMT
Episode 1 - Tim Marshall and the Dangerous Decade

In episode 1 of DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by critically acclaimed author, journalist, and practitioner Tim Marshall, whose books include Worth Dying For: The Power and Politics of Flags, Prisoners of Geography, and The Power of Geography. Tim and Sajjan discuss the important developments that will take place in the Indo-Pacific region this decade, the growing importance of the Quad, and how Afghanistan will serve as a platform for terrorism following the Taliban's takeover. 

For the episode transcript please visit: deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive

Thu, 04 Nov 2021 09:28:00 GMT
DEEP Dive - Trailer

DEEP Dive is a brand new podcast series from NATO's Defence Education Enhancement Programme (DEEP). Each episode provides commentary on a variety of subjects covering international security and defence, counter-terrorism, and geopolitical current events. The primary purpose of this series is to inform and enhance understanding of the prevailing global challenges.

DEEP Dive seeks to engage and draw on the experiences of academics, journalists and policy practitioners. The goal is also to learn more about those being interviewed in order to provide a unique perspective on what has shaped their careers as well as to discuss their current and future research.

Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:54:47 GMT
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